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  ISN'T HIRING AN ADVOCATE GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE?  

 

     Fear of professional fees are unfortunately one of the primary reasons why many Americans, in our opinion, are denied access to health care they require. Many people cannot afford costly fees and many attorneys and other types of advocates charge fees which are greater than the costs of the treatment being denied. Obviously, in that case, it would make no sense to hire such a person or firm.

Our office has worked very hard to make high quality services affordable to anyone who needs them. We have kept our overhead extremely low and have streamlined our file handling to maximize results for our clients. We'll discuss our various fee options with you on an individual basis, but our current structure starts under $500, depending on what you require.

While it is important that this office charge and collect a fair fee for the work that we do, we have never allowed someone’s ability to pay fees to be the final deciding factor as to whether or not we can help them. We don’t want anyone to not contact us simply based on an erroneous assumption that hiring us is too expensive. We will work hard, if necessary, to create a payment plan which meets your personal situation.     

 
  WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF WORK PERFORMED BY YOUR OFFICE ON BARIATRIC SURGERY  
      APPEALS?  
 
     While we have litigated these cases in court or in administrative hearings, the vast majority of the work we do is non-legal in nature. We analyze your matter, your insurance contract and medical records, prepare a comprehensive written appeal that addresses all the possible reasons to approve the surgery and, if you retain us for this purpose, we represent you (usually telephonically but sometimes in person) at grievance and appeal hearings and prepare you for those hearings. Given the fees we charge (which we are happy to address with you on an individual basis), it is a tremendous amount of work for a very, very reasonable rate.     
 
 
CAN YOU HELP WITH RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY DENIALS IF I'VE LOST ALOT OF
 
      WEIGHT AND NEED THAT TYPE OF PROCEDURE?  

 

     “We do accept many different cases involving reconstructive surgery after a bariatric operation. However, we closely examine these cases prior to accepting them so we can be sure that the surgery being requested truly is “reconstructive” and not cosmetic, the primary reason payers deny those cases. If you believe that you are being wrongfully denied reconstruction, please use the “Green Form.”

 
  I DON'T LIVE IN CALIFORNIA - - - CAN YOU STILL HELP ME?  

 

     The answer to this question is generally "Yes," but circumstances will differ from case to case. First of all, you must understand that you are retaining our services as a designated authorized "representative" to assist you with your appeal; we are not acting as an "attorney" on your behalf. In those instances, it is generally not necessary for us to be admitted to the bar for your state.

If we take on the matter as attorneys (rather than as lay advocates), we do have to be admitted to practice in the jurisdiction for that case. In those instances, we associate local counsel to assist with following the local rules and to sponsor our admission to that state’s bar for purposes of that particular case. That is called being admitted pro hac vice (for purposes of that case).

There are a few things to keep in mind. If you want us to help you with your appeal, you're not going to be obligated to file any type of lawsuit or arbitration or other type of litigated solution to the dispute. You're also never obligated to keep us as your attorneys if you wish to file such an action; in fact, we too retain the right to not move forward with a litigated case and, in some instances, we may be unable to take on that representation because we may be witnesses to the payer's conduct.     RETURN TO TOP

 
  I'VE BEEN DENIED OBESITY SURGERY BY MY INSURANCE COMPANY BECAUSE  
      CLAIM IT ISN'T MEDICALLY NECESSARY. CAN YOU HELP ME?  
 
     We are fortunate to be able to help most anyone in this position and have a success rate overturning denials based on "medical necessity" or failure to meet criteria for surgery that is in excess of 90%. We can be most effective if we get the case or claim right at the time of the first denial. If you wish to inquire about us advocating for you in that type of case, click here.
 
  MY INSURANCE COMPANY DENIED ME BASED ON A LACK OF DOCUMENTATION OF  
      WEIGHT LOSS EFFORTS AND I DON'T HAVE ALOT OF THAT INFORMATION....CAN YOU  
      HELP ME?  
 
     This is one of the areas we spend a great deal of time and have had very good success. While it is very, very important for patients to go back to their various medical providers to get whatever historical records are available, the fact is many people don't have or cannot locate such records. That should not stop anyone from seeking surgery. First, you can always postpone the surgery until you comply with your company's requirements, whether they are 6 months, 12 months, 18 months or more. However, we also understand that many of you have "been there, done that" and don't want to wait anymore. We work successfully on a great many of those cases despite a client not having a great deal of documentation and we would urge you to give us a chance if this is the basis for denial you confront.      RETURN TO TOP
 
  HOW LONG CAN THIS PROCESS TAKE?  

 

     For the person who is frustrated by the denial of surgery, this process will always seem too long. However, you do need to have some patience, as insurers do have certain timeframes within which they have to review and decide cases. Unfortunately, there isn't a general rule of thumb - like many things in this area, it differs based on the type of insurance and what laws may govern the Plans. Many times they have upwards of 30, 60 - even 120 days to make a decision after they have received the appeal. Because most plans have multiple levels of appeal, each with separate time periods provided to the insurance company, the process can be lengthy.

 
  MY INSURANCE COMPANY APPROVED ME FOR A GASTRIC BYPASS BUT I WANT A  
      DIFFERENT BARIATRIC PROCEDURE (E.G. LAP-BAND®) - IS THAT A TYPE OF CASE  
      YOUR OFFICE HANDLES?  
 
     We evaluate these types of cases on an individual basis, but the short answer is "yes," we do handle these types of matters in many circumstances.
 
  I'VE BEEN DENIED OBESITY SURGERY BY MY INSURANCE COMPANY BECAUSE THEY  
      CLAIM IT IS "EXCLUDED" ON MY PLAN. IS THERE ANY HOPE FOR ME?  
 
     It is our position that every exclusion for obesity surgery should be fought by the Member. Those fights are what causes plans to change over the long-term. However, we don't take cases where we don't think we can help make a difference for you. We carefully evaluate all such cases, but if our experience has not been positive, we'll tell you that straight out and suggest that you not retain our office. If, however, we have never dealt with your plan or the contract language at issue, we may offer our services to you. You should understand that exclusions are the toughest cases to overturn, although we certainly have had our share of successes in many different situations. If you wish to inquire about us advocating for you in that type of case, click here.
 
  I'VE HEARD THAT I CAN GO TO EXTERNAL OR INDEPENDENT REVIEW...WHAT IS THAT  
      AND CAN YOU HELP ME?  
 
     If you've exhausted the internal insurer's process or for some types of denials (e.g. "experimental" treatment), many states offer an external or independent review conducted by an agency that contracts with the state for such services. We have had tremendous success in that area and offer help in that area as part of our services. We also know many of the "good" review companies as well as attempting to avoid the "bad" reviewers, so we may be a valuable asset if that is a route you are forced down to get your surgery approved.     RETURN TO TOP
 
WHAT IF I HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR MY SURGERY? CAN  
      YOU HELP?  

     Unfortunately, before we can be effective, the insurance payer must be given the chance to evaluate your doctor's request for bariatric surgery. This can only be done by a written request made to the company, followed by a written denial. Some surgical providers will attempt simply to telephone the insurer and ask if a particular procedure code for the surgery is a covered benefit and, if they are told "no," they won't bother submitting for you. This causes you a problem because you aren't even "in the game" yet. Without a written request and denial, there is nothing for you to appeal. That is why the surgeon (or primary care doctor) must submit the written request. If you are then denied, we find we are most effective the earlier we get the case...so don't wait before contacting us!

  HOW LONG DO I HAVE TO APPEAL?  

     This time frame will vary depending on what laws govern your policy. It is important that you carefully review the denial letter you get and any enclosures sent to you by the insurer regarding your appeal rights...that usually spells out the timeframes. They can be as short as 30 days in some instances. Most of the denials we see have a 180 day (6 month) timeframe from the date of the letter, BUT BE SURE TO CHECK FOR YOURSELF!

  CAN YOU LOOK OVER MY APPEAL LETTER AND GIVE ME YOUR OPINION?  
     Unfortunately our commitments to our current clients do not allow us the time to perform evaluations and provide advisory opinions of your own appeal efforts. We hope, however, that if you do not retain our office to assist you, this website will provide you with a great deal of information to assist in your own efforts.      RETURN TO TOP
  WHY CAN'T I JUST PAY CASH FOR THE SURGERY AND TRY TO GET THE MONEY BACK  
      AFTERWARDS?  


      There is nothing generally preventing you from doing that, although you need to be aware of a few things. Most insurance plans require pre-certification of an elective procedure, and bariatric surgery is always elective in nature. If you don't follow through with that preauthorization process, you've technically breached your contract and may face consequences that could include being unable to get your money back.

Perhaps the most compelling reason to avoid self-pay until there is no other choice is the issue of complications during surgery. While the cash pricing of the surgery may be attractive, you need to be quite sure who is responsible in the event of complications from that procedure which prolong your hospitalization. It is not uncommon for an anticipated 3-4 day hospital stay to become several weeks due to a foreseeable complication you've consented to before surgery. If the surgeon or hospital has not limited the cost of the surgery in such cases, your "cash price" might go from $20,000 to several hundred thousand dollars! Are YOU prepared to pay that kind of bill? If you aren't, you'd better clarify that can't happen before writing the check to that program.

You might respond, "my surgeon/hospital told me that even if there is a complication, at least my insurance will cover that, even if it doesn't cover the whole surgery..." That isn't always true...in fact, it is rarely true! Many policies include language similar to the following exclusion: "WE DO NOT COVER SERVICES OR CHARGES RELATED TO OR ARISING FROM UNCOVERED PROCEDURES". Even if the policy doesn't include that language, ask yourself what incentive the insurer has to volunteer to cover $100,000+ in medical bills if they have a chance of avoiding it? The best way to avoid these issues (and keep your money in your pocket) is to appeal until you've exhausted your appeal rights and then consider the cash payment option. We promise you that the surgeon or hospital will accept your payment later, even if it forces you to be more patient than you really want to be now that you've made the very hard decision to have bariatric surgery.      RETURN TO TOP

 
  IF I PAY CASH, CAN I DEDUCT IT FROM MY TAXES?  
 
     Although you should seek the guidance of your tax advisor, the short answer is that the IRS has made weight loss treatments deductible if someone suffers from "obesity" or even if you're not obese, weight loss programs to treat another disease like diabetes or high blood pressure can also be deducted. There are limits to the deduction so we recommend you go to (www.irs.gov) for more information on this. You may also wish to read some of the wonderful information provided at the American Obesity Association's website (www.obesity.org) on this and many other topics.
 
  SHOULD I JUST CHANGE INSURANCE COMPANIES LIKE MY SURGEON'S OFFICE  
      SUGGESTED?  
 
     While we can't stop you from changing insurance companies, and in many cases it may be a good idea, we will never recommend it as part of our evaluation of a case. The reason for that is that your request for bariatric surgery is only a small part of you and your family's overall health insurance needs and, while changing insurance may be better for surgery, it may be a terrible thing for someone else in the family involved with a chronic illness neither we nor your surgeon knows about. For that simple reason, that we can never have enough information about your family insurance situation, we won't recommend that course of action. We know many surgeon's offices do that and again, it COULD BE a good idea....but be sure you think about everyone else in the family before you take that drastic step.
 
  MY SURGEON IS OUT-OF-NETWORK....DOES THAT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?  

 

     It sure does...sometimes! Many patients don't have out-of-network benefits and so they are forced to seek out an in-network surgeon. That isn't a problem if the surgeon is well-qualified and experienced in performing bariatric surgery and has a full program and team he or she works with. It may be a problem that we can help you with if the insurer is trying to send you to an inexperienced general surgeon who is technically qualified to perform a bariatric procedure, but doesn't do it regularly...in those cases, we can often force them to pay an out of network provider as though in-network because of the lack of a qualified in-network alternative.

The other major difference it makes is the amount you'll pay out of pocket. Remember that part of what you get with managed care - type benefits are limits in choices. If you have out of network benefits, your insurer will likely pay a smaller percentage of the "usual & customary charges" for the procedure. You MUST remember that what the insurer considers "usual and customary" is always FAR LESS than what your surgeon's actual fees charged to you are going to be. An example: your out of network surgeon charges $8000 for her procedure. Your out of network benefits allow you 60% of the "usual and customary amount." You might go into surgery believing that you're going to pay $2400 because that is 40% of the surgeon's fee. You would likely be wrong. Your insurer believes "usual and customary" for this surgery is $2500 and will pay 60% of THAT AMOUNT. That would be $1500. Your surgeon is likely going to send you a bill for the entire balance of $6500, because she is entitled to "balance bill" you for her services (unlike most in-network providers who agree to accept the contracted amount regardless of their actual fee).

So be sure to understand your financial exposure to the surgeon, the hospital and all the other kind folks involved in your treatment. ... just because you've secured insurance coverage for your bariatric surgery, that doesn't mean you still won't be paying some out of pocket expenses!      RETURN TO TOP

 
  WHAT CAN I DO IF THE SURGEON REFUSES TO SUBMIT THE PREAUTHORIZATION  
      REQUEST?  
 

     In the courses Walter teaches to surgeons doing bariatric surgery he always stresses the need to get patients "in the game" by making the written request for coverage. Some can't or won't due to the volume of work they face or due to limited resources that must be devoted to people they know can be approved. In those cases, you may wish to approach your primary care provider to make the referral request and seek out the denial that way.

 
  MY INSURANCE IS ABOUT TO CHANGE, WHICH INSURANCE COVERS...THE  
      ONE AT THE TIME OF THE REQUEST OR AT THE TIME OF SURGERY?  
 
     The general rule is the policy in effect at the time the services are provided (the day of surgery and days of hospitalization) is what is responsible. That can be of concern if your plan presently covers surgery but is switching to a new insurer which excludes surgery. In those instances, you should work hard with your human resources or insurance benefits person at work to try and have the second insurance company honor any approvals by the preceding company in the event you cannot have surgery until after the change.
 
  MY SURGEON SAID MEDICARE DOESN'T COVER BARIATRIC SURGERY...IS THAT TRUE?  
 
     No, it is not. In fact, not only does Medicare cover gastric bypass if it will treat another disease made worse by morbid obesity, many regional Medicare insurers are covering the LapBand® as well (although there is not yet a national Medicare coverage policy yet on the LapBand®). Many bariatric surgeons don't take Medicare patients (or limit the number of such cases) because, sadly, the amount of reimbursement from Medicare is less than the actual costs of the procedure itself.
 
  I'M ON MEDICAID IN MY STATE...CAN YOU TAKE ON THOSE CASES?  
 
     Because each state Medicaid program handles bariatric surgery differently (some cover it and some don't) and because most of these cases require the presence of a local attorney in any event, we defer handling those cases to local attorneys who know that system better than we do.     RETURN TO TOP
 
  WHAT SHOULD I LOOK FOR IN A BARIATRIC SURGERY PROGRAM?  
 
     One emphasis is on the word "program." This is a difficult specialty, very similar to an organ transplant. While you may be able to go to your local hospital to have your gallbladder taken out or a knee surgery, you should carefully evaluate a bariatric practice. Some considerations should include: the experience of the surgeon (is he/she past her "learning curve" - especially for laparoscopic cases?); the facilities of the hospital (bariatric beds; bariatric wheelchairs; proper commodes in restrooms; examination tables; diagnosistic facilities for people of size; an Intensive Care Unit, etc.)
 
  I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO DO MY BARIATRIC SURGERY BUT I AM  
      HAVING TROUBLE LOCATING A SURGEON IN MY AREA. CAN YOU RECOMMEND  
      A SURGEON TO ME?  
 
     Choosing any type of health care practitioner, especially a surgeon, is a deeply personal task. In this day and age of "managed care," there are also issues related to the type of insurance you have and whether or not a doctor is on your "plan. " For those and many other reasons, I am not in a position to specifically refer people to surgeons. However, the best resources out there to access that information comes from the American Society For Bariatric Surgery web site at (www.asbs.org) and the surgeons listed on (www.weightlosssurgeryinfo.com). If you are seeking a LapBand® the best sites are (www.lapband.com), and (www.inamed.com).
 
  I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR HEALTH INSURANCE AND WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE A  
      POLICY WHICH IS LIKELY TO COVER MY BARIATRIC SURGERY. WHICH COMPANY(S)  
      CAN YOU RECOMMEND?  
 
     We are asked this question quite often and our reply is generally the same. Since our practice focuses on the insurers who DON’T pay these types of claims, we are less familiar with those companies who act appropriately and do pay for treatment. It is likely that your best source of that information may be the health care practitioner (bariatric surgeon or program) from whom you are seeking treatment. They often know best whom the "good guys" are when it comes to insurance and may be willing to share that information.      RETURN TO TOP
 
  CAN I PURCHASE AN INDIVIDUAL POLICY THAT WILL COVER THIS SURGERY?  
 
     Unfortunately, if you are morbidly obese you are not the most desirable candidate for an insurer to underwrite an individual plan to cover. That is the big difference between an individual and a group insurance policy - the group's insurer has to accept the whole group while the individual insurer can evaluate the risk and choose to write or not write the coverage. It's not completely unheard of that such policies can be found, but that information will be best known by an experienced health insurance broker and you should try to locate such a person or company. And sorry, but no, we don't have a company or person we can refer you to.
 
  I HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH MY BARIATRIC SURGERY AND I'M CONSIDERING  
      SUING THE DOCTOR, DO YOU TAKE THOSE CASES TOO?  
 
     Medical malpractice cases take a particular expertise and specialized legal knowledge for each state. Due to those considerations, we don't handle cases against doctors or hospitals. If you think you need to have such a case evaluated, you may wish to contact the Trial Attorney Association in your city, county or state for a legal referral service that could assist you with a plaintiff's medical malpractice specialist. Don't delay if you think you've been the victim of malpractice because many statutes of limitations on those cases start when you even SUSPECT that the provider was negligent.
 
  CAN I CONTACT ANY CLIENTS OR FORMER CLIENTS OF YOUR PRACTICE TO FIND OUT  
      ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE?  
 
     Absolutely. Obviously we need to get their permission to share contact information, but we are more than willing to have you communicate with clients and former clients before you commit to working with us.    RETURN TO TOP
 
  WHO DID WALTER'S GASTRIC BYPASS IN 1994 AND LAP-BAND® SURGERY IN 2003?  
 
     We don't disclose that information due to the possibility of people mistakenly thinking of that as being some type of endorsement. Taking that position has allowed us to comfortably represent the patients of practices in every state in the country and so we keep that information to ourselves. So although we get that question alot from people evaluating surgeons and programs, there is no substitute for doing your own homework on the procedure, program and surgeon that suits you best.
 
ARE THERE ANY TYPES OF CASES WHICH YOUR OFFICE DOES NOT HANDLE?  

 

     We no longer accept appeals for people seeking a couple of different types of surgeries. We don't handle requests for Vertical Banded Gastroplasty based on our personal and professional assessment that the LapBand® is a far superior technology and procedure and that any patient seeking a VBG should, by all rights, be seeking out that better procedure.

     We also do not handle requests for the "Mini Gastric Bypass" (MGB), but for other reasons. After consulting with many other surgeons and many of the patients having problems due to bile reflux with this procedure, we remain unconvinced that we are serving a person's best interests by advocating for this procedure. Many patients we've discussed this procedure with have had it reversed or revised to a different weight loss operation because of those problems. Therefore, we are taking a very conservative "wait and see" approach to determine whether this procedure stands the test of time. We have turned away a great deal of business in this area so we assure you that it isn't to our economic advantage to take this position...but it remains the right decision for this office.  

 
  I'VE HEARD YOUR OFFICE IS HARD TO GET A HOLD OF....WHAT'S THE DEAL?  
     As you can imagine, there are many people we work with and many who seek our help. Low overhead means limited staffing . . . when you call us, you DON't get a "call center," you get us! So, when we're talking to someone, the phone still rings with your call and the voicemail picks up....it's simply a numbers game. So, even though we try very, very hard to get back to folks promptly, sometimes it takes a day or two for us to catch up....so we always thank you in advance for your patience.
  WHERE IN THE WORLD IS "CHULA VISTA?"  
     Chula Vista (pronounced "CHOOLA VISTA") is a southern suburb of San Diego. We recently relocated our post office box from the "Hazard Center Drive" address you may see to the address found on this site. This move (which is much closer to home) allows us to better serve you and still do what we need as parents of two elementary school aged (and quite active) kids.     RETURN TO TOP
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